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pjammer) wrote,
@ 2007-12-11 21:28:00

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@ Ford Modeling Agency xmas party in SF. Ratio 3:1 girls:guys. Holy smokes, the avg girl here is 5'9. pics forthcoming.

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	geah 2007-12-12 05:50 am UTC (link)
	Settle down, Beavis. (Reply to this)

	infopractical 2007-12-12 06:28 am UTC (link)
	So, wait, why can't all those models find dates to their Christmas party? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sunyata__ 2007-12-12 07:06 am UTC (link)
	I've heard models claim that people are intimidated by their stratospheric level of beauty. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	infopractical 2007-12-12 07:17 am UTC (link)
	I don't believe that for a game-theoretic moment. It's all about strategy. If they wanted dates, they could find them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pjammer 2007-12-12 04:49 pm UTC (link)
	Mating dynamics preclude a woman approaching a guy for a date - which means they need to be approached by a dude who needs to work up his nerve to talk to her. Which is why women at the apex of attractiveness tend to have relatively sparse dating lives. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

infopractical
2007-12-12 04:56 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, regurgitate the conventional (which was once counterintuitive) point. But I don't buy it. I'm a short balding guy that's dated lots of beautiful women. None of those women seemed to be without competing suitors. I can't think of a single one really.

I'm sure there are a few models out there with sparse dating lives, but it's probably for some reason other than their looks. Perhaps they're narcissistic and just don't care about people, creating the intimidation factor. Perhaps they're just "shooting for glory" and will only date the Brad Pitts of the world. Perhaps they're living in a city where a large proportion of the single men are gay?

I also don't buy that a woman can't approach a man. The most attractive thing about a woman to a man is that she DOES like him. If any of those models practice the art of striking up a conversation, they'll find themselves with suitors. Unless they have issues.

I buy your other explanation, that dates were ruled out by the invitation.

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pjammer
2007-12-12 09:37 pm UTC (link)

Not to put fine a point on it, I think you've dated 7s and thought you were with 10s.

The world of 7s and filled with suitors - hence your experience. 10s find themselves isolated because the guys they actually want to be with can't work up the nerve to talk to them, and their choice set is heavily populated with egomaniacs with no social inhibitions.

It's not a matter of whether you 'buy' whether an attractive woman can or cannot approach a man. I didn't invent evo psych. Bottom line: eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap; an attractive woman who approaches a man is automatically suspect - absent context, most males she approaches will assume she's a professional or working a hustle. Men intuitively know that aAttractive women have choices thrown at them every day and have to fight for a shot to impress her.

It's comforting to think that romance 'just happens' - if you play in low-competition fields, that may very well be the case. But if you are going for high-stakes hotly contested territory, the dynamics are pretty much what I laid out.

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infopractical
2007-12-12 10:45 pm UTC (link)

10s find themselves isolated because the guys they actually want to be with can't work up the nerve to talk to them

seems directly at odds with

Men intuitively know that aAttractive women have choices thrown at them every day and have to fight for a shot to impress her.

I think you just proved my point.

Not to put fine a point on it, I think you've dated 7s and thought you were with 10s.

And you clearly don't know! I dated models and dancers and actresses growing up. I also dated the really good-looking geeky girls and found the latter more interesting.

Nix my last comments. I thought you were somebody else responding.

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pjammer
2007-12-12 10:52 pm UTC (link)

Men assume a linear scale of attractiveness - higher up, higher-status males are competing at that space. That intuition is true, but overestimated at the tip-top level, a place most men have zero experience in. The fallout is what confounds guys and they over inflate the unavailability of 10s.

And you clearly don't know! I dated models and dancers and actresses growing up.

Mayhaps I don't.

Tell you what: my top three versus your top three. Create three HOTORNOT.com accounts apiece - Non-glamour shot photos of your exes, non-glamourshot photos of mine.

Open vote, and line 'em up.

If I lose, I buy you a fabulous lunch when I am in San Diego this Monday. Deal? :)

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infopractical
2007-12-12 11:05 pm UTC (link)

First, I would never subject any woman I dated to being "lined up".

Besides that, I've been dating the same woman for nearly 10 years now. I don't keep photos around of all the women I dated before that.

But, I'll go back and focus for a moment on my first statement:

First, I would never subject any woman I dated to being "lined up".

This is exactly why I transcend bullshit classes of people. Everyone has their values to other people. I've dated popular, un-popular, beautiful, scraggly, tall, short, geeky, stupid, etc. I just love people, period. I think that's something women pick up on easily, and it opens doors with all but the self-absorbed. Even them sometimes, if they're ready for a change.

Really appreciating people is the best way to be a player. It's the reason, and I'll repeat, a short balding buy like me has dated many beautiful woman. (and scraggly, and tall, and short, and...).

Also, I don't live in San Diego anymore. Once again we'll be ships passing in the night. Sooner or later we'll just sit down for a fabulous lunch.

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toastednut
2007-12-13 03:43 pm UTC (link)

> First, I would never subject any woman I dated to being "lined up".

IMHO I don't think this was an unfair request, as the entire thread beforehand and the post itself is about attractive people, models, whose industry is solely about looks, and "expertise" (for lack of a better word).

ps: don't bother replying because i am not interested in ad hominem arguments.

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	infopractical 2007-12-13 06:02 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks for assuming I would engage in ad hominem arguments. Unless you present a normative statement, I can't imagine I could "argue" at all. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	resipisco 2007-12-12 08:27 am UTC (link)
	I can guarantee you they turn down a higher percentage than non-models. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pjammer 2007-12-12 04:48 pm UTC (link)
	I can guarantee you a lot of them spend a lot of nights alone because so many guys are too intimidated to take the initiative to approach them. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	warmjacket 2007-12-12 10:14 am UTC (link)
	I could see that. Usually you set your sights on someone who is at least attainable. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pjammer 2007-12-12 04:47 pm UTC (link)
	Was talking to the girls - most of the models were not allowed to bring in a +1 guest, the only exception were models under 21 who were allowed to bring their parents. HAHA. WHO RULES THIS JOINT, MOFO?? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	silona 2007-12-12 04:36 pm UTC (link)
	ah you are such a playa sometimes hon... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	pjammer 2007-12-12 04:51 pm UTC (link)
	Just sometimes? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	silona 2007-12-13 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	actually I know that you are a sweet sensitive soul that I adore that is always there for his friends when they really need him. so there doesn't mean can't break out that playa persona occasionally (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Stop teasing - post! (Anonymous) 2007-12-19 08:23 pm UTC (link)
	Come on man, we're counting on you for our vicarious pleasures.... Scott (Reply to this)

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